Comments on: REST Fluff http://www.subbu.org/blog/2008/10/rest-fluff HTTP, REST and some Cycling Wed, 10 Mar 2010 21:43:46 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.4 hourly 1 By: subbu http://www.subbu.org/blog/2008/10/rest-fluff/comment-page-1#comment-8514 subbu Mon, 27 Oct 2008 02:19:33 +0000 http://www.subbu.org/?p=499#comment-8514 As Paul Prescod remarked (http://www.prescod.net/reliable_http.html), reliability is a software issue, and I don't see how one can't negotiate QoS for HTTP based systems. Just because something has "Reliable" (such as WS-ReliableMessaging) in it and that there is no HTTPR (the store and forward idea that IBM tried once) does not make HTTP unreliable. HTTP provides simple techniques to make POST, PUT and DELETE reliable. I think negotiating QoS goes into a similar bucket. As Paul Prescod remarked (http://www.prescod.net/reliable_http.html), reliability is a software issue, and I don’t see how one can’t negotiate QoS for HTTP based systems. Just because something has “Reliable” (such as WS-ReliableMessaging) in it and that there is no HTTPR (the store and forward idea that IBM tried once) does not make HTTP unreliable. HTTP provides simple techniques to make POST, PUT and DELETE reliable.

I think negotiating QoS goes into a similar bucket.

]]> By: Bill Burke http://www.subbu.org/blog/2008/10/rest-fluff/comment-page-1#comment-7953 Bill Burke Thu, 23 Oct 2008 21:23:35 +0000 http://www.subbu.org/?p=499#comment-7953 "REST/HTTP is not reliable" I had that in one of my talks. I was able to fight most of it, but when the topic of governance and negotiating QoS came up, I was at a loss for words. At least in Java land, REST is also kinda screwed because the open source servlet containers out there can't support anything beyond Basic AUTH. Which is fine over SSL, but freaks out the security people. Is there any standard protocol out there that people are using for non-html Web/RESTful apps? “REST/HTTP is not reliable”

I had that in one of my talks. I was able to fight most of it, but when the topic of governance and negotiating QoS came up, I was at a loss for words.

At least in Java land, REST is also kinda screwed because the open source servlet containers out there can’t support anything beyond Basic AUTH. Which is fine over SSL, but freaks out the security people.

Is there any standard protocol out there that people are using for non-html Web/RESTful apps?

]]> By: Paul Houle http://www.subbu.org/blog/2008/10/rest-fluff/comment-page-1#comment-7423 Paul Houle Tue, 21 Oct 2008 13:49:38 +0000 http://www.subbu.org/?p=499#comment-7423 REST is a term that should be taken behind the barn and shot. 90% of the people who use the word "REST" really mean "POX". It means that they want to build the same kind of web services that many of us were building successfully in 1996. It means that they've given up on the non-interoperable "MS-" (oops, I mean "WS-") stack. REST is a term that should be taken behind the barn and shot.

90% of the people who use the word “REST” really mean “POX”. It means that they want to build the same kind of web services that many of us were building successfully in 1996. It means that they’ve given up on the non-interoperable “MS-” (oops, I mean “WS-”) stack.

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